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The Idolatry of Mind: The Simulated Universe
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Let's get logical here. We at Radix Fidem are mystics, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss ideas where they stand, using peoples' own rules for discovering knowledge. We don't follow the world's way of discerning reality but we are fine playing devil's advocate to expose the failures of worldly philosophies.

There's a funny little theory that has been going around, existing in slightly different versions, proposing that the universe we know is really a simulation or a projection* created by, to some, extra-dimensional life forms. Essentially, it's as though we literally exist inside a vastly complex computer program. The theory relates somewhat to quantum physics and the idea that the mere act of perceiving can change how subatomic particles "perform" in space. If true, the implications are probably far-reaching, but no one can really do much about them. We go on with our daily lives.

What's not stated--and this is perhaps exemplary with ideas like this--is that the simulated universe theory is a metaphysical belief that people will claim is a conclusion drawn from physical evidence and ideas (i.e., theoretical physics), using physical ways of knowing things: logic, the senses, etc. Truths fundamental to things outside of the universe, by their nature, cannot be determined by such methods of knowledge, so essentially the "creature" of the simulated universe belief is really religious in nature underneath a skin-costume of pseudo-science.

It's "pseudo-scientific" because there is some science tangentially involved, but undergirding it is a very important assumption: that the universe is a projection does not come from the workings of a physical human mind, but a disembodied mind that somehow exists independently and transcendentally. But we know that if this were the case--if physical minds did in fact conclude this fact about the universe--then the minds are a part of the projection and thus could not be trusted, as the simulators (whoever they are) can simply make those conclusions part of of the simulation. We would have no way of trusting our brains.

With this information it must be pretty obvious by now that this is one the latest forms of idolatry of the human mind: the elevation of the workings of fallen human reason to the level of God--knocking God off the throne and putting ourselves in its place. A projected universe would answer a lot of things that folks find inexplicable otherwise with what we know of the physical world; the theory helps people reject the divine realm outright and replace it with simply another level of the physical. In this sense, it's an intellectual extension of what many already believe. We should be prepared to answer this philosophy as we feel lead to, but we should also not be surprised when our words are rejected.

* Rationalwiki is, as you may guess from its title, a wiki-type of site, born out of a strictly materialist worldview. They do, however, provide an excellent summary of the simulated universe idea.
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#2
Please, ask questions if any of this is unclear. We're dealing with a mostly new and interesting idea, to say the least, that others may take seriously, with some far-reaching consequences.
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(10-02-2018, 10:30 PM)jaybreak Wrote: Please, ask questions if any of this is unclear. We're dealing with a mostly new and interesting idea, to say the least, that others may take seriously, with some far-reaching consequences.

This is NOT a new idea.  Back in the 60's, when those of us that did, tripped out on LSD, we talked about this concept all of the time.  That we were a "figment" of someone/thing's imagination.  It was a frequent topic and we would try to figure out how #1: it could be so   #2: what does it mean about us and who/what we are   and #3:  Who/what is having this figment?

And, I have no doubt, over the centuries, there have been many others who have thought/discussed the same thing in whatever words or manner they would have in their time/place.
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(10-03-2018, 07:44 AM)forrealone Wrote:
(10-02-2018, 10:30 PM)jaybreak Wrote: Please, ask questions if any of this is unclear. We're dealing with a mostly new and interesting idea, to say the least, that others may take seriously, with some far-reaching consequences.

This is NOT a new idea.  Back in the 60's, when those of us that did, tripped out on LSD, we talked about this concept all of the time.  That we were a "figment" of someone/thing's imagination.  It was a frequent topic and we would try to figure out how #1: it could be so   #2: what does it mean about us and who/what we are   and #3:  Who/what is having this figment?

And, I have no doubt, over the centuries, there have been many others who have thought/discussed the same thing in whatever words or manner they would have in their time/place.
Ha! That awoke a long sleeping memory. I had a hippy English teacher in the '70's who when his lesson ran short would ramble about "the universal mind" or some such hogwash. He smelled like patchouli so I guessed he smoked a joint at lunch. He was one of a new generation of idealistic young teachers who recognized I was falling through the cracks. He has to be in his 70's by now.  "God bless you Mr Cook, wherever you are. I'm still reading! "
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#5
I think the new part of what Jay presents is our place in the proposed model. Previous iterations of this idea show up in literature starting around the mid-1950s, but so far as I can find, it was never presented as an excuse to promote trust in the human intellect until recently. The older versions call into question whether you can trust your own mind. This newer version asserts that there can be a human intellectual consciousness apart from a physical brain; it degrades the soul to a mere mind.

This theory does have some tangential connection to what I said about Phenomenology. You may recall that Phenomenology is a philosophical assumption that all you really have is experience and perception when it comes to building an understanding your existence. It is inherently distrustful of the intellect, and approximates what I teach as the proper approach to human awareness. If you can't trust your brain, then you need to trust your heart.
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(10-03-2018, 07:44 AM)forrealone Wrote:
(10-02-2018, 10:30 PM)jaybreak Wrote: Please, ask questions if any of this is unclear. We're dealing with a mostly new and interesting idea, to say the least, that others may take seriously, with some far-reaching consequences.

This is NOT a new idea.  Back in the 60's, when those of us that did, tripped out on LSD, we talked about this concept all of the time.  That we were a "figment" of someone/thing's imagination.  It was a frequent topic and we would try to figure out how #1: it could be so   #2: what does it mean about us and who/what we are   and #3:  Who/what is having this figment?

And, I have no doubt, over the centuries, there have been many others who have thought/discussed the same thing in whatever words or manner they would have in their time/place.

I meant "new" relative to the scope of philosophical history, and for some reason in the last few years it's been enjoying a resurgence online, for whatever reason. Maybe because of transhumanist thought becoming popular as well.

Now that I'm writing this, you could argue that Plato's Theory of Forms was something of a precursor, though I would argue it's too primitive to be related directly. Like you said, though, this idea has had form before.
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I like the title to this thread; The Idolatry of the Mind. 
  This Idolatry is very bedrock of Western Civilization and by extension western Christianity. It is the presupposition of all discussion or debate. Western Civilization is the global repository of thinkology*. A bombardment of Mind Bombs of Arrogant Awareness; A self deceiving, objective, clinical dissection of the soul hammered on the anvil of pride then angrily thrust into a fiery forge raging against the haughtiness of the Unknowable. "UNKNOWABLE!!!  How dare the  Universe to hold fast to it's Secrets! All we need is more data! Then WE  shall be, not as gods, but God!" .
"Satan laughing spreads his wings" War Pigs lyric by Black Sabbath "Aaaah! Run for your lives! Devil music!" Ozzy's early lyrics read like a remedial Dennis Wheatley dipped in Aleister Crowley's inkwell by a forced righty southpaw.

* Thinkology is my term for all philosophies from the ivory towers of Academia down to the drunk tank.

Conclusion: crush Mind, crush Western Civilization. Heavy, "And, now Mr Iain's Loonicidal Fun Time Show!"
                                       
"Simple enough, where are my boots?.....WHOA! That sucker is huge!  Uh oh, it's rolling my way. Run!"
 
Our hero spots a fox hole, dives in head first and busts his head. 

"Ouch! Good thing I hit my head, anywhere else might have caused real damage" says Hero as the fetid mass of Western Civilization rolls overhead leaving our hero unharmed.
 
"Wow, that was a close call, damn I wish I wernt so prone to poor decision-making , they ain't no way I'm gonna whup that thing alone, even with my invisibility cloak and super-power of gross stupidity" 

Narrator: "as our hero ponders his next move, a word from our sponsor 'Rotto! Sugar Powder Sticks' ..........now back to our program; Mr Iain's Loonicidal Funtime Show!

" I got it, Tonto! uhhh... I don't have a sidekick. Dude, you're on soundstage 4, this is seven" 

Tonto says "sorry man, four cocktail lunch...hic!". 

Narrator; thinking he's off mike "what? Again...don't they know he's a lush..What! No..it's not racism because he's a native-American, ok...it's because he's Canadian!" sighs "I absolutely do not get paid enough for this"
2nd assistant cameraman "WC Stinkball sketch part two take two" CLAP!
 
"I got it! The awesome power of prayer!" cries our hero , pointing at the sky "Speed Prayer, we're runnin' outta time Western Civilization is heading straight for the village, the last remnant of non-westernized humanity!"
 
"Lord, have mercy on me a sinner, please, please, please let me take out one irredeemable muckety muck. "
SPLING! A rock appears in our hero's hand.
 "Thanks Lord" he yells as he hurls the stone in suppurating stinkball made of WC
Plop. Out flops one slick prosperity preacher.
The End.
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#8
Got me to laughin, Iain! Thanks
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#9
Do let us know the broadcast schedule and channel for your show, Iain. It would be the only thing I'd ever watch.
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#10
That was awesome, Iain.

Speaking of War Pigs, I've always liked Faith No More's version of that. Mike Patton has an amazing voice the beats out Ozzy's. He even nailed it live despite being such a goof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqdJHDGSfhI
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