A little Kingdom business here: To boil it down, Tom is in a situation where he simply does not have the leverage to make things go the way his convictions demand. This stuff does happen, and all the faith and red-pill stuff in the world won't change a spouse who rejects God's way. What this means is that God Himself will have to intervene, and that in turn means it will be pretty rough on everyone.

Pray that Tom is able to rest in the Lord and build up his faith for that coming day of sorrow. He will need to respond with authority and moral clarity, and it will not be a situation anyone will envy.

(02-28-2019, 08:17 AM)Ed Hurst Wrote: A little Kingdom business here: To boil it down, Tom is in a situation where he simply does not have the leverage to make things go the way his convictions demand. This stuff does happen, and all the faith and red-pill stuff in the world won't change a spouse who rejects God's way. What this means is that God Himself will have to intervene, and that in turn means it will be pretty rough on everyone.

Pray that Tom is able to rest in the Lord and build up his faith for that coming day of sorrow. He will need to respond with authority and moral clarity, and it will not be a situation anyone will envy.

Certainly. I've got a few issues with my spouse but, I do give her space, even when it's not reciprocated. Her way is right even when it's stupid. We generally agree concerning our children so, I try to keep our conversation on the things we agree about. Outside of that narrow strip of commonality, conflict lies in wait like an ambush predator. Yeah Brother Tom, if you read this, it's clear you're in a bad situation, I'm familiar with the outhouse of life. Without Christ I woulda chewed lead a long time ago. As of now, I'm putting you in the fervent column for a couple of days.  Fervent gets your name sticky notes around the house so, that way I keep conscious prayer front and center. 
May the Lord protect, guide and keep you, may He bless, favor and give you peace through the storm, Amen.

(02-28-2019, 08:17 AM)Ed Hurst Wrote: A little Kingdom business here: To boil it down, Tom is in a situation where he simply does not have the leverage to make things go the way his convictions demand. This stuff does happen, and all the faith and red-pill stuff in the world won't change a spouse who rejects God's way. What this means is that God Himself will have to intervene, and that in turn means it will be pretty rough on everyone.

Pray that Tom is able to rest in the Lord and build up his faith for that coming day of sorrow. He will need to respond with authority and moral clarity, and it will not be a situation anyone will envy.

I can't imagine being in that situation. I mean, I could, but it wouldn't be the same as actually living through it. Will definitely pray.

Not the same situation, since I am the wife.  But, i have been living my "solitary" heart-led life with my husband for many years.  He is the dominant one and I do my best to be as submissive as I can be.  Keep in mind, I was the independent,  had my own company,  made my own money, bought my own house, paid my own bills kind of lady.  Since my change of looking at things from a heart-centered perspective, i prefer to be a wife.  

My husband may never change or see things as I do, but i have chosen to stay.  Only by my behavior and witness and if and when in the Lord's time, he should change, hallelujah! 

This wasn't intended for advice,  just another situation, though similar. 

I, too, will lift you up in prayer, Tom.  We need each other's support,  comfort and encouragement.

God bless you!

(02-28-2019, 03:32 PM)forrealone Wrote: Not the same situation, since I am the wife.  But, i have been living my "solitary" heart-led life with my husband for many years.  He is the dominant one and I do my best to be as submissive as I can be.  Keep in mind, I was the independent,  had my own company,  made my own money, bought my own house, paid my own bills kind of lady.  Since my change of looking at things from a heart-centered perspective, i prefer to be a wife.  

My husband may never change or see things as I do, but i have chosen to stay.  Only by my behavior and witness and if and when in the Lord's time, he should change, hallelujah! 

This wasn't intended for advice,  just another situation, though similar. 

I, too, will lift you up in prayer, Tom.  We need each other's support,  comfort and encouragement.

God bless you!

   You're an invaluable treasure for us here, Mama Bear. As to this dolt, I run into the Word Wall. One thing for sure, I feel at ease here to prattle of the top of my heart and that's because I get a closeness here I've never found in a church building. That's one of those mysticulous things. He He, another new redicable  word. Oh, shoot,  I'm getting SO good at heart leeditiousness, that my brian is entropylizing. Pray that it continues but, not so far as loosing the ability to do essential stuff like, I dunno...breathing. I've already devolved to where I'm losing the ability to walk around heavy objects without whopstubbin' my tootsies. The other evening I KA-SMAPed the bottom track of the shower door, with my right toes, then later SLAPAK!!! the same tenderized toes hit the base of our antique and thus very heavy Shaker floor cabinet. Both times it hurted so bad that, I stood unable to "OWWUCH!!!" while bobbing like a Jew at the wailing wall. It's a small price to pay when compared to thinking with me ol' Pumpington. 
  Lastly, big sis, you helped me with my marriage, which is in the ICU but!!! It's off life support. You may be wondering "whhhaaat?" but, after you 'splained the place you're at, I was able to steer the boat away from smashing against rocks. It takes both believing that the marge is worth saving, or else the attempt is futile and a waste of valuable energy.

(03-02-2019, 01:00 PM)IainH Wrote:

(02-28-2019, 03:32 PM)forrealone Wrote: Not the same situation, since I am the wife.  But, i have been living my "solitary" heart-led life with my husband for many years.  He is the dominant one and I do my best to be as submissive as I can be.  Keep in mind, I was the independent,  had my own company,  made my own money, bought my own house, paid my own bills kind of lady.  Since my change of looking at things from a heart-centered perspective, i prefer to be a wife.  

My husband may never change or see things as I do, but i have chosen to stay.  Only by my behavior and witness and if and when in the Lord's time, he should change, hallelujah! 

This wasn't intended for advice,  just another situation, though similar. 

I, too, will lift you up in prayer, Tom.  We need each other's support,  comfort and encouragement.

God bless you!

   You're an invaluable treasure for us here, Mama Bear. As to this dolt, I run into the Word Wall. One thing for sure, I feel at ease here to prattle of the top of my heart and that's because I get a closeness here I've never found in a church building. That's one of those mysticulous things. He He, another new redicable  word. Oh, shoot,  I'm getting SO good at heart leeditiousness, that my brian is entropylizing. Pray that it continues but, not so far as loosing the ability to do essential stuff like, I dunno...breathing. I've already devolved to where I'm losing the ability to walk around heavy objects without whopstubbin' my tootsies. The other evening I KA-SMAPed the bottom track of the shower door, with my right toes, then later SLAPAK!!! the same tenderized toes hit the base of our antique and thus very heavy Shaker floor cabinet. Both times it hurted so bad that, I stood unable to "OWWUCH!!!" while bobbing like a Jew at the wailing wall. It's a small price to pay when compared to thinking with me ol' Pumpington. 
  Lastly, big sis, you helped me with my marriage, which is in the ICU but!!! It's off life support. You may be wondering "whhhaaat?" but, after you 'splained the place you're at, I was able to steer the boat away from smashing against rocks. It takes both believing that the marge is worth saving, or else the attempt is futile and a waste of valuable energy.

Wow.  That surely put a smile (though humbly) on my face....   Just another of many examples of how Father is using this Forum to help us along the way in this big challenging, sometimes scary, sometimes horrifying, yet wonderful world (at least the part where He dwells!).

Just commenting so you'll know I read this exchange, but have nothing useful to add. My, but the Lord is building something wonderful!