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Numerology versus Gematria
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Quote:Then I saw another beast coming up from the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but was speaking like a dragon. He exercised all the ruling authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and those who inhabit it worship the first beast, the one whose lethal wound had been healed. He performed momentous signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people and, by the signs he was permitted to perform on behalf of the beast, he deceived those who live on the earth. He told those who live on the earth to make an image to the beast who had been wounded by the sword, but still lived. The second beast was empowered to give life to the image of the first beast so that it could speak, and could cause all those who did not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He also caused everyone (small and great, rich and poor, free and slave) to obtain a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. Thus no one was allowed to buy or sell things unless he bore the mark of the beast — that is, his name or his number. This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the beast’s number, for it is man’s number, and his number is 666. (Revelation 13:11-18 NET)

We’ve seen no end of speculation on what to make of the “666” from this passage. Most people run to the traditions of gematria. From the website My Jewish Learning, we get this definition of gematria:

Quote:Gematria is a numerological system by which Hebrew letters correspond to numbers. This system, developed by practitioners of Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism), derived from Greek influence and became a tool for interpreting biblical texts.

Notice that gematria is not Hebraic, but from the Hellenized Jewish nonsense that brought them the Talmud. It would be familiar to the writers of the New Testament in the same way — as an intellectual practice that is foreign to revelation.

Here’s the main problem: There is no regulating principle for gematria. You can chase it in both directions, reducing letters to numbers, or trying to guess how to make letters come out of the numbers. It’s too easy to monkey around with the results going in either direction because the rules aren’t strict enough to prevent gaming the outcome. How many of us could find a way to make our names in English come out to 666? Most of us.

Notice what the passage in John’s Revelation says: The Beast will rule by making sure everyone bears the ensign/icon of his control. In John’s day, this language refers to operating (the hand) and thinking (the forehead) under allegiance to the Beast. The Hebrew concept of “name” is not at all like it is in English or other western languages. In the Bible, “name” is not a legal identifier, but most often a title or role. God’s “name” represents His authority. To avoid saying His name in vain, Hebrews would refer to ha’shem — literally “the name” to indicate they were talking about Jehovah.

In this sense, a more useful study would be numerology — the symbolism of numbers. The most common example is 7, typically representing something ritually holy (devoted, separated). In the Hebrew language, the phrase “to seven something” means to ritually bind it, to devote it to God. You could be said to “seven yourself” — binding by an oath to God.

While the number 3 is often associated with the Trinity, that’s not where it comes from. It shows up places like Paul’s mention of the “third (level of) Heaven”. The number is structural. It symbolizes how you should expect God to operate, in the sense that, if God did something, it likely will manifest in triples somehow.

You may have seen frequent uses of 40 to represent a time of testing in the sense of preparation. Meanwhile, 3.5 is a time of tribulation under God’s wrath. Note that there are several ways to get to that 3.5 years, counting the days, weeks or months.

The number 12 is “the whole thing”. Any mention of the twelve tribes should be obvious, pointing to the whole nation of Israel in toto. If you see 24 elders in John’s Revelation, it points to the representatives of twelve tribes from two sources, the fullness of Israel and the Gentiles.

In standard numerology, 6 means coming up short of 7. It is the number representing fallen human nature. If you triple 7, it is the structural completion of holiness. To triple 6 means the fullness of what humans can accomplish. Translation grammar for the passage cited above indicates a better rendering of the last verse might be that 666 is the number of mankind as a whole. The Beast will rule as the pinnacle of what man can accomplish outside of the Covenant.
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Quote:In John’s day, this language refers to operating (the hand) and thinking (the forehead) under allegiance to the Beast.

Want to hear some trivia? I remember reading a punk rock zine more than 20 years ago, at a venue where my band was playing, and it mentioned this exact same thing. At the time it annoyed me because I was high up on the Left Behind series, which as you probably know took the "mark of the beast" more literally than this. I don't even know if the writer was a believer or not, but I remember it after decades because it made at least a surface-level sense to me, even though I didn't quite believe it.
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Imagine that. I recall being tipped off in the 1990s that Dispensationalism was bogus. By 2000 I was completely alienated from it, and I would say it was mostly because I started receiving enough disability pay to stop working and start reading a lot more.
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#4
"it was mostly because I started receiving enough disability pay to stop working and start reading a lot more"

I've found the more I labor in the word, contrasting it against the wisdom of the world, the more sensitive I've become to the infiltration of the worldly wisdom into the "church". Mostly I'm referring to the ABC's of building a church as practiced.

It has totally skewed what should be the true focus of believers. The little church I attend has been in full scale collapse the last couple years. The church was pastored by a former missionary, both the assistant pastors were former missionaries. Two of the three have left and I think the third will announce his departure this week.

The churches focus was almost exclusively on reaching the "lost", which in practical terms is focusing on an abstract idea not people we actually know. For a small church a lot of money went to missions not used for local or congregational purposes. Presenting the gospel to people is not a bad thing but the church was not good at real relationships and being in one accord.

Folks attending needed a hospital and life counseling center, and instead found themselves in a boot camp.

I attended the bible college and church that founded my little church. The failing, IMHO, is they followed the "recipe" our school taught, the church building pattern. Attempts at discipleship and even sacrificial acts by leadership seemed to fall flat because they were always secondary to the church building mission. Leadership did sacrifice for our institution and did make an attempt at some discipleship classes but there seemed to be something really missing. I think the focus on the lost ate everything up.

The church was run by a prophet and evangelists, very little focus on mercy, serving one another, loving one another having real relationships with brothers and sisters in Jesus. How to practice those gifts wasn't taught or emphasized. Our gathering was always focused on the abstract "lost".

The mission was always outreach. The members/attenders were secondary to the mission of building the church (measured through numbers) through outreach.

The intention? good, the methodology? misguided IMHO and maybe even of the flesh and worldly (wisdom).

The connection to this discussion? The methodology my church attempted to employ has been a tried and true IFBC methodology, knock on doors and outreach "big days". When it works it is a well oiled machine for building an institution. The hooks of course are the get out hell free card and go to heaven. The mega church and school I attended years ago, was and is a well oiled machine and their methodology has worked across the country and globe. God still works and changes lives in this type of system but there are a lot of casualties along the way. It is pretty much the US corporation model of building an organization applied to church building, with going to heaven when you die as the product being peddled.

The new pastor is more of a teacher than Baptist preacher/proclaimer/evangelist. He was a local guy and brought many folks with him, us original members have dwindled to a handful. I'm hoping we chose well asking him to pastor, his gifts appear to be better suited to shepherding. My hope is a more love one another and let Gods light shine through us assembly going forward. Maybe some real outreach being used of the Spirit will happen as well.

Thanks for bearing with my thoughts here, you folks have been a blessing to me during my alienation from the local church "machine". Praise God for his grace and love in this deceptive and dark world system.
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Robust1, all of what you said I resonate with completely.  I am grateful I have learned what I know, from the Lord, alone.  He has taught me through His Word how "to be".  And that is: to be true to Him, show His love to all we encounter, allow Him to shine and/or speak through us to others, consider the needs of those less fortunate in spirit, health or material things, and to follow the path of humility that he carved before us.

I am grateful to you, dear Robust1 and all the family here that we can feel this closeness of faith and beliefs in what Our Lord would have us to do in this world.  Thank you for sharing, and for your insights.  They are valued...
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#6
Thank you so much for the kind words!
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#7
My heart aches for the abuse your congregation has taken. May the Lord use you and the new pastor to restore the shepherd and flock model.
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