Tomorrowland!

[IainH]

Apple fritters for me, Iain. I think we can agree we won't miss Billy Graham. Given what I know about some of the things he tried to hide over his career, I'm not even sure we can say he was well-meaning.

I concur but, the guy was an "American Icon" and to do that one must sell ones soul to the "American Ideal". So, before he died, to paraphrase our Lord he had already received his reward. So, in the interests of our cause I refrain from critisism outside of here. In practice I just bear a grave and sober countenance and nod when people speak of his supposed greatness. I'm very patient when it comes to spreading our thing. I recognize those who are trying and feed them crumbs, all at once it's quite jarring because, basically you're telling someone that everything they've been taught is bs, however, if you bring a person along at their own pace eventually they'll see it for themselves.

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^ I heard he made anti-Semitic statements, but that's coming from dubious sources (maintream news). They can find anti-Semitism in a bowl of gefilte fish.

Iain, all true points. God doesn't see results, at least not the same way we do. We tend to think of results as "whatever we can look at now, in the present." God can see it all, so a result to Him is simply psrt of the process.

I'm not fond of "systems" that propose to explain how salvation works. It's mystical by definition, so the limits of human language can only describe the barest outline and not much else. We get the sense that salvation is somehow communing with God that is particular, compared to those who haven't had the salvation process in their lives. It's probably some mix of determinism and free will, though I don't pretend to know what that really looks like. I may be able to come up with something if I took some time to mull it over.

BG is on WH tape talking to Nixon in 1972 about Jews "stranglehold" on media. BG later apologized but, it wasn't until the Christian Zionistas became The dominant voice in AC. Sorry, American Christianity, I really need to come up with a list of the abbreviations I use. Golldangit gosh it to Pete! Our internet keeps cutting out, wind. At the top of the "holler" is a saddle between two peaks in middle is "thee Blowing Rock"( check out the legend online, given the wind here, in winter, I almost belief it) the wind blasts through the gap and roars down the valley, our house is unfortunately at the narrowest point, given the venturi effect, the wind speed reaches hurricane force which sporadicifies* our internet.
* I exercise my God given "rat" as a "Merkan" citizen to butcher the English language. Oops almost forgot!
PS. Following the western obsession with nailing jello to the wall, I'd say I tend towards the TULIP Reformed version as refined by the late Dr Sproul but even that is just an indicator. In practice, I'll accept "whatever floats your boat" until I see the fruit.