02-26-2018, 01:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-27-2018, 04:16 AM by jaybreak.
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^ I heard he made anti-Semitic statements, but that's coming from dubious sources (maintream news). They can find anti-Semitism in a bowl of gefilte fish.
Iain, all true points. God doesn't see results, at least not the same way we do. We tend to think of results as "whatever we can look at now, in the present." God can see it all, so a result to Him is simply part of the process.
I'm not fond of "systems" that propose to explain how salvation works. It's mystical by definition, so the limits of human language can only describe the barest outline and not much else. We get the sense that salvation is somehow communing with God that is particular, compared to those who haven't had the salvation process in their lives. It's probably some mix of determinism and free will, though I don't pretend to know what that really looks like. I may be able to come up with something if I took some time to mull it over.
Iain, all true points. God doesn't see results, at least not the same way we do. We tend to think of results as "whatever we can look at now, in the present." God can see it all, so a result to Him is simply part of the process.
I'm not fond of "systems" that propose to explain how salvation works. It's mystical by definition, so the limits of human language can only describe the barest outline and not much else. We get the sense that salvation is somehow communing with God that is particular, compared to those who haven't had the salvation process in their lives. It's probably some mix of determinism and free will, though I don't pretend to know what that really looks like. I may be able to come up with something if I took some time to mull it over.